As I walked out of the room, I walked past Cheryl, my boss, Cheryl Sandberg.

And I'm expecting sort of a high five or a pat on the back.

That's Kim Scott, New York Times best-selling author of Radical Cander.

She stopped. She looked right at me and she said, when you say, um, every third word, it makes you sound stupid.

I'm Michael Logel, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company.

I've built my business through practice, not theory. Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight

figures in revenue over the last few years, earning a spot on the Inc. 500 list of the fastest-growing

private companies in America. Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating

massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed law firm owners do the same for theirs. In each

episode of this podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond

to learn from those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define

what it means to be a true game changer. Today, we're revisiting one of our most popular episodes from the podcast

where I sat down with renowned leadership expert Kim Scott.

We discussed how to be a kick-ass boss without losing your humanity,

why obnoxious aggression can be more effective than ruinous empathy,

and how leaders can create bullshit-free zones where people love working together.

Medical candor doesn't mean you'll never have to fire anyone.

It just means that they won't be surprised when you fire them.

That's coming up on any ads on this podcast.

This allows us to present all of our episodes raw and unfiltered.

I'm not going to push any made-to-order meal services on you or try to save you

any money on your car insurance. That being said, I have one small request. If you receive any

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