I want to make sure I pronounce your name right, so can you say your name for me?

My name is Hugh Ming-Go.

Hugh was born in Vietnam.

I'm growing up in a small town in Vietnam.

It's called Camran.

I started to be a hacker when I was very young, maybe around like 14, 15 years old.

And then it's kind of out of courage, you know, like wondering about how the internet

working.

And back then, the internet is very expensive and super slow.

That's one of the reasons that I started to hack and steal a few internet dial-up accounts

to be able to use it without paying anything.

That's kind of my first time I got into trouble when I was like 15 years old.

This was around 2004, a time when 56K modems were the most popular way to get online.

And the way it worked is you dialed a phone number and connected to the ISP that way, and they would connect you to the internet. But the ISP would charge you by the minute to go online. Can you imagine that being charged for every minute you're on the internet? That's how it worked back then. You couldn't afford that. So you figured out a way to use someone else's account,

basically stealing someone else's ISP connection to get online.

And that meant other people were paying for him to get online.

And just like a few months, you know,

a few months using these stolen internet data account.

I got kind of like a paperwork sent to my house.

And my parents, they got very surprised.

And then they told me what's about? And then I told them, you know,

it's related to some stolen internet accounts.

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