162. Gareth Southgate: Patriotism, Leadership, and How To Inspire Young Men

The Rest Is Politics: Leading

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Politics, Government, News

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🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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What invaluable life-lessons did Gareth Southgate learn by missing a high profile penalty in the Euro 96 semi-finals? Does the former England manager see a future for himself in politics? How should we teach resilience and leadership to the next generation of men? Alastair and Rory are joined by former England manager Sir Gareth Southgate to answer all this and more. Gift The Rest Is Politics Plus this Christmas - give someone a whole year of Rory and Alastair’s miniseries, ad-free listening, early access to episodes and live show tickets, an exclusive members’ newsletter, discounted book prices, and a private chatroom on Discord. Just go to https://therestispolitics.supportingcast.fm/gifts And of course, you can still join for yourself any time at ⁠therestispolitics.com For Leading listeners, there’s free access to the Wordsmith Academy - plus their report on the future of legal skills. Visit https://www.wordsmithai/politics To save your company time and money, open a Revolut Business account today via https://get.revolut.com/z4lF/leading, and add money to your account by 31st of December 2025 to get a £200 welcome bonus or equivalent in your local currency. Feature availability varies by plan. This offer’s available for New Business customers in the UK, US, Australia and Ireland. Fees and Terms & Conditions apply. For US customers, Revolut is not a bank. Banking services and card issuance are provided by Lead Bank, Member FDIC. Visa® and Mastercard® cards issued under license. Funds are FDIC insured up to $250,000 through Lead Bank, in the event Lead Bank fails. Fees may apply. See full terms in description. For Irish customers, Revolut Bank UAB is authorised and regulated by the Bank of Lithuania in the Republic of Lithuania and by the European Central Bank and is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland for conduct of business rules. For AU customers, consider PDS & TMD at revolut.com/en-AU. Revolut Payments Australia Pty Ltd (AFSL 517589). Social Producer: Celine Charles Video Editor: Charlie Rodwell Producer: Alice Horrell Senior Producer: Nicole Maslen Head of Politics: Tom Whiter Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Thanks for listening to The Restis Politics. Sign up to the Restis Politics Plus.
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0:09.4	Just go to therestispolities.com. That's the rest is politics.com.
0:13.2	One of the things that you went through, which was incredibly traumatizing, was this famous missed penalty.
0:19.3	For 20 years, it was the main thing everyone knew about you.
0:22.3	The whole country are on a tidal wave of hope and enjoyment. At that moment, I'm thinking,
0:28.4	you know, I've now been responsible for this whole thing finishing. And how am I ever going to get
0:32.4	over this? I've got the media camped on my doorstep. It took me three days to realize I've got to
0:36.7	get out of the country here.
0:38.0	The role I had was one of the top five in terms of profile and pressure. We hadn't won a knockout
0:43.7	game in 10 years. They were being criticised for what had happened in my generation. So actually,
0:48.2	we talked about creating our own history a lot to free up the current players from what had gone
0:54.1	wrong in the past and to say, look, this is your moment in time, write your own history. You're going into a political space with your life now, whether that's in the commons or the laws. Good grief. Don't you think I've had enough misery of my own? Well, I don't know. I'm just, I'm just asking. This episode is brought to you by Wordsmith, A. And increasingly, of course, in all the organisations
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