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Hey there, I'm Marie Forleo and for the last 20 years I've helped millions of people

transform their businesses and lives. If you're ready to make the difference you were

born to make, get ready because this is the Marie Forelio podcast.

You know, today's culture is one that's filled with fear, scarcity, and uncertainty, and what we need most in times like these are people

who are willing to step up, people who are willing to be brave, to be courageous, and to lead

with heart. My guest today is here to show us how to do just that.

Dr. Bernay Brown is a research professor at the University of Houston,

where she holds the Huffington Foundation,

Bernay Brown Endowed Chair at the Graduate College of Social Work.

She spent the past two decades studying courage, vulnerability, shame, and empathy,

and is the author of Four number one New York Times bestsellers,

braving the wilderness, rising strong, daring greatly, and the gifts of imperfection.

Her TED Talk, The Power of Vulnerability, is one of the top five most viewed

TED Talks in the world, yes, in the world, with more than 35 million views.

Bernay lives in Houston, Texas with her husband Steve

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