Okay, and you're in full peeky blinders mode there.

Because I'm wearing a flat cap.

A flat cap, yeah.

All I need to do is turn it around 180 degrees and I'm in full French existentialist mode.

It's funny how turning it around takes you from looking 70 years old to about 25, like, all hip.

It takes me from the back garden in middle England to a, you know, French cafe with a pretty

lady and a little, you know, leather note pad.

It's been a bit of a strange day for me today, you know, man. I've had a special service today.

It's called a closing of placement service.

Right.

And it's one of those strange things that we do as ministers when we're finishing up

somewhere that we've been working, right?

So there's a regular tradition.

Whenever you finish at a workplace, there's often, if you've been there a long time,

there might be a real do or a dinner and some toast and speeches,

or sometimes if it's been a little while, you might go down the pub or cafe for lunch

with some workmates.

There's all these rituals

when you finish somewhere for work. And we have those two. But the Uniting Church also has this

strange thing called a close of placement service where they actually, it's like a breaking of the

ties, actually. Like it actually, there's special liturgy. Are you being deconsecrated?

No, that's if I was kicked out of the ministry itself.

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