The battalion chief, he escalates the alarm, many come to the back and says we have a confirmed

building collapse and we have multiple firefighters trapped inside ambulances and police cars were

crushed when the building collapsed. Unfortunately a lot of people use those as shelter.

Are you trying to get more information as you're racing to the seniors? All you're thinking

is I just need to get there.

The first soul purpose in life at that point is to get your guy out.

Hello and welcome to Best Case Worc case. This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiler

former New York City prosecutor and writer producer on CBS's Criminal Minds. And with me

today in the studio is. Hi everybody, it's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor

and production partner of one Jim Clemente occasionally. Very exciting. But not on

criminal minds. Very exciting for you. It's very exciting for you, Jim. I think it's what

you meant. It is. Okay. And with us today, we have very special guests. Jim O'Connell,

retired assistant deputy chief paramedic Chicago fire department and way more importantly,

Maureen O'Connell's brother. Oh, Jim, that's instant credibility in my book. Absolutely.

Anybody who has survived Maureen O'Connell for their whole life. Wow. Wow. She's one tough

customer, Jim. She is. She's subbed in for you a couple of times with me. And I've been

extremely quiet on those podcasts. Really? Huh? Hard to believe. That's my story anyway.

And also with us today, Vince Zitton, Chicago Fire Department paramedic, 10 years of service.

Can I just say you say your name so fast? I have no idea what you're saying. It's Vince

Zitton. And there you go. I'm Southern might years. Don't even work that fast, Jim.

Of course not, Francie. Anyway, we're here to talk to you today about a best case or worst

case in your career, Jim. Yep. Here we are. Yeah. So where were you in your career at the

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