Hi, listeners. It's Tom here. We have a very special episode of the podcast for you today.

Paul Dickinson and I had the great pleasure and privilege to sit down with Paul Simpson,

the CEO of CDP for 20 years, who is stepping down from his post on Thursday, which is the

day this podcast comes out. This is the end of an era. Paul is one of the great leaders

in the climate space. And this is just one chapter of his life. I'm sure we'll go on to

do many other things. But in this interview, Paul Dickinson and I dig in with Paul Simpson

to what it meant to him, to run CDP for all this years, where the world is after all this

work and what comes next. It's a great conversation. You're going to love it and stick around

particularly for the credits at the end credits, particularly. You might be in them. You never

know. Here's the episode.

Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism. I'm Tom Ravikarnak. I'm Paul Dickinson. I'm

Paul Simpson. This week we have the conclusion of a 22 year argument between the two men I'm

sitting in a room with. It'll all make sense in a minute. Thanks for being here. So I am

beyond excited to be sitting in the room with these two men. And I'm just going to give

you a couple of minutes listening to these two people. That's a good point, Paul. Thank

you. Paul's very good at correcting them. And there's these two people, these two brilliant

people. So 15 years ago, I had what I still consider to be one of the luckiest breaks of

my career when I turned up at the offices of CDP, which is about eight or nine people at

the time in a grotty office in North London for a job interview. And through some unknown

reason, I was offered the job. And I talked to Paul Simpson, Paul Dickinson, a Nigel topping

former guest on this podcast. And CDP at the time was already a six, seven year old organization

that was creating enormous strides to change the world. And I remember in my interview

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