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Making Sense with Sam Harris

#161 — Rise & Fall

Making Sense with Sam Harris

Waking Up with Sam Harris

Samharris, Currentevents, Politics, Ethics, Religion, Neuroscience, Science, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.629.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2019

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Sam Harris speaks with Jared Diamond about the rise and fall of civilizations. They discuss political polarization, disparities in civilizational progress, the prospect that there may be biological differences between populations, the precariousness of democracy in the US, the lack of a strong political center, immigration policy, and other topics.

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Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast. This is Sam Harris.

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Well, not much housekeeping here today. I've spent much less time on social media of late.

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So much less time in fact that I really can't actually judge whether what I've seen there

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this week just reflects, especially contentious week or whether I have changed in my sense of

1:16.6

what is the expected ambient level of hostility and lunacy on Twitter. It has seemed

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completely crazy every time I've checked back in over there. Also, I just reread the Unibombers

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Manifesto for the first time since it was originally published, as you might recall under

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threat of further maiming and murder. It is a slightly crazy document. You can certainly hear

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Kaczynski grinding his teeth in the background more or less throughout. But the truth is it is

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better reasoned and modulated than half of what I see on Twitter. This is from people with

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blue checkmarks by their names and large followings. So I don't know what it means to be able to

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honestly say that half of the people on Twitter seem less hinged than a man who was sending bombs

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in the mail. But it does seem that we're performing an experiment on ourselves, the consequences of

2:23.6

which are as yet undetermined. Anyway, I'm very happy to have withdrawn to the degree that I have.

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It feels far more sane. One of the things that happened this week is Coleman Hughes, who's been a

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