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Welcome to Real Jam Radio. I'm Daniel Rue, your host, and so happy to have you with us for this episode. I wanted to talk with Chris Herring, former Wall Street Journal writer, knows the Knicks really well, about that situation and happened to tie in also with the Bulls, because now he's a senior NBA writer for 538 and ESPN's Trub Network and based in Chicago,

so certainly follows that team closely. So we start with them, but we end up talking about

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