160 - People Deserve Better Than This "Gender-Affirming Care" with Christina Buttons
Gender: A Wider Lens
Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley
4.6 • 961 Ratings
🗓️ 19 April 2024
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
This episode opens with an extended introduction exploring the recent release of The Cass Review - Final Report, as this is a massive development in the world of gender medicalization. The guest feature begins at the 00:10:30 timestamp, so please feel free to skip ahead if you’d like.
Sasha and Stella welcome guest, Christina Buttons, for a special conversation covering everything from her personal experiences with autism, her troubled adolescence, and her work as an investigative journalist, to her awakening to gender issues and her extensive research efforts.
The episode gets into the concept of stress perception and resilience, the intersection of autism and gender dysphoria, and the lack of informed consent in medical interventions for trans identified individuals.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi Isetta? How's it going? It's going well. How are things with you? |
| 0:05.7 | Good, good. I am, the cast review, the cast report came out and God four years Hillary cast doctor |
| 0:16.5 | hillic cast for anybody who doesn't know anybody in general world will know |
| 0:20.3 | four years at dr hillicass and her team have been working really hard. |
| 0:26.0 | I saw an interview with her where she said, |
| 0:28.0 | I thought it was just going to be a few afternoons a week for about six months. |
| 0:32.0 | Four years later. Four years later completely |
| 0:36.7 | consumed 24 hours a day and a team have worked on, you know, gender treatment, it's the largest and it's the most comprehensive and |
| 0:45.8 | it's the most detailed report of its kind, which is gender treatment for children. |
| 0:51.0 | And it's an independent report. it's got a stack of research with it. |
| 0:56.0 | It is really really good to be really useful for anybody who is trying to put forward that what is actually going on with gender treatment for children these days. |
| 1:08.0 | Based in the UK, however, it's 9,000 children that they're discussing. So this is really comprehensive and |
| 1:16.7 | ultimately what what Dr. Hilliukas comes out with is effectively that there is no evidence to support radical treatments. |
| 1:27.9 | There is no evidence. |
| 1:29.5 | The evidence base is really low and as far as I'm concerned now the research is in like when we |
| 1:34.4 | first started Jen Speckin in 2021 we were very ready to kind of conceive the |
| 1:38.7 | idea of there's lots of research maybe we're wrong we don't know we were very kind of humble in the idea of there could be all sorts we don't know about |
| 1:45.8 | now that like we've all immersed ourselves for years you and me and so many of us I think we can say the CAS report we've enough research now that comes to time |
| 1:54.8 | it's a great line in therapy which is you can build evidence forever. I think we've built the evidence. |
| 2:01.2 | CAS has done the evidence. The research is in we don't like yeah we could have a |
| 2:06.2 | whole stack of other pieces of research we could spend thousands and thousands and |
| 2:10.4 | of of euros on research and all we'll ever get is with what Cass has, which is we don't have evidence to support it. |
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