So one thing I want to say everyone before this episode starts is there's really

horrific gruesome details of murder, of murder of children. So please immense

trigger warning. Listen really at your own caution.

Good morning. Well, well, well. Chamber today is a dark day for popipologists

because we are deep diving really one of the most horrific crimes that I think

has happened. I think this is kind of Andrea Yates level. Who? I believe that was

her name. She's a woman who drowned her five kids in their bathtub. Oh gosh. Yeah.

So there's these crimes that seem to happen like once a decade that just

rivet the nation that capture our attention because not only is it you know

a murder, but it's that between a mother or a father and their children. Right.

There's something particularly chilling to me about homicide between a mother

and their children as well. It just seems to go against the universe and

biological facts and yeah, it just I mean not to say that the other homicide

doesn't, but it's it's especially senseless. We expect so little from men, you

know. So honestly, I didn't want to say it. Thank God. Okay. So anyway, yes, we're

getting into the Lori Vallow and Chad daybell saga and the deaths of so many

people actually Tammy daybell JJ Lori Sun as well as her daughter Tiley and then

the death of Charles Vallow and the death of Joseph Ryan and Alex Cox. So it's a

lot of people. It's a lot of names and to be totally honest with you, I was not

one of the people following this case intensely only because it was all kind

of a little confusing to me. And I guess I don't know, I'm not always the first

person to be following a current true crime situation. Yeah. Development after

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