All right.

I have done this 159 times before.

You have.

Not flawlessly, but pretty good.

We're popeless at the moment.

Do you feel an absence in your life?

No, but I am really fascinated by Conclave.

I'm really excited about it. I watched the,

we used as an excuse to watch the movie the other day, the recent movie Conclave. Oh,

yeah. I had read the book already by Robert Harris, but we watched the movie the other night. Have you

seen it? Yes. In fact, I just saw it last week as well, just before he died. So it's almost like God knew I needed to be prepared.

What did you think of the film? Look, I've seen a few films and I'm pretty familiar with this.

So I kind of, I do like, like you, that setting and the mystique of it all. So I went in maybe with

two high expectations and it didn't totally pay off for me, I'd have to say. It didn't, but, but I think

10 years ago, maybe before I'd seen angels and demons or had seen a couple of conclaves, I think back

when we were young, there would only ever been one pope, a bit like the queen, there's only ever

been one. And then he died and then it was like, oh my goodness, this is so exciting. And then it happened again, and now it's only ever been one. And then he died. And then it was like, oh, my goodness,

this is so exciting. And then it happened again. And now it's happening a third time. So it's in our

lifetime. So I do feel like I'm reasonably familiar. I'm not saying I'm intimately involved in any

of the negotiations. But I was, I was having a coffee the other day with a mate of mine, who's a Catholic priest, and I was getting

what I thought was, at least he's a significantly closer to the situation that I am, even

though he'd laughed and said he's a million miles away from knowing anything.

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