Welcome to the Building a Story Brand podcast where we believe if you can fuse you'll lose noise is the

enemy and creating a clear message is the best way to grow your business I'm your

host Donald Miller I'm joined by my co-host Dr. J. J. J. J. J. J.

P. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J.

J. J.

put down your phone.

We're recording a podcast for Cry out.

I'm a very important person.

I don't know if you know this actually that was an act

JJ is not on his phone I would not be that rude I respect our listeners way too much

but that is what today's interview is about. Yes.

We actually interview Cal Newport and he says you're on your phone too much

and is jacking with your brain.

I have zero doubts about that.

And he says it's jacking with our culture.

I also have zero doubts about that.

And he says all of the productivity that we think we're

experiencing is literally chasing our tails running around in a circle. We are not

getting more done. Yeah, done. There's zero dot in my mind because we actually did an experiment where we were

looking at what interruptions cost us right at work I don't know if you were

here when we did this as a team I wasn't paying attention you were paying attention

you got interrupted by a meeting. But we did this experiment where it was like what

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