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Today I'll be speaking with Paul Bloom. Again, we spoke to podcast back. He's a psychologist

from Yale and a wonderful thinker. This time around we get into some controversial areas.

We go to the dark side a little bit. We talk about torture, despite my better judgment.

We talk about Cecil the lion. We talk about politics. You'll find at the end that I perform

a kind of intervention on myself and Paul to some degree on the topic of eating meat.

Many of you vegans and vegetarians have been after me for quite some time, for a few

remarks I made about having been a lapsed vegetarian. Now the chickens as it were have

come home to roost. You'll hear that I call for the best resources out there for how to

be a vegetarian or a vegan healthily. That's a sincere request. If you have good information

to send me, please do so through the email contact form on my website. Please put vegetarianism

or veganism in the subject line. I will keep you apprised of my progress. Without further

preamble, I give you Paul Bloom.

I'm back with Paul Bloom, my friend, the Yale psychologist who was on the podcast last

time. Hey Paul, how you doing? I'm doing great, sir. How are you? I'm good. Well, you

are back largely because I wanted to talk to you again, but people loved our last podcast.

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