When I was deciding whether or not to run again, I was aware that it would happen again.

And this time, in some ways it's worse.

This time the crystal lady thing seems to have been replaced by

I'm a horrible human being and I scream and yell and mean to people.

You get some emotional antibodies when you go through something like that and you

get to the point of realizing, at least I see this now. I have to be making a difference on some level for people to be

working so hard to obstruct the process by which anybody would really hear what I have to say.

Hello friends and welcome back to the Light Watkins show where I interview

ordinary folks just like you and me who've taken extraordinary leaps of

faith in the direction of their path their purpose or what they've identified as

their mission and in doing so they've been able to positively impact and inspire the lives of many other people

who've either heard about their story or who've witnessed them in action or who've directly benefited from their work.

And this week on the show, I am honored to have

Mary Ann Williamson, who is a best-selling author,

a political activist, and a spiritual thought leader. Mary Ann also ran for the Democratic presidential nomination back in 2020 and recently

she announced her candidacy for the 2024 presidential race because she says that the

political status quo will not disrupt itself and that what we need is a president who tells it like it is, that president could do a lot of good.

For over three decades, Marianne has been a leader in the spiritual and religiously progressive circles.

She is the author of 15 books,

four of which have been number one New York Times bestsellers.

She's the author of that famously viral quote

that everybody originally attributed to Nelson Mandela, which is,

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