This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. So hello everybody. I am sitting here with Paul Kings North.

Paul King North is a writer from the UK. He's written several novels, also several other

books. And he's been kind of put on my horizon by several people

have been telling me that I need to pay attention to him, Rod Dreher, and then several priests,

actually, and many artists that are around me. And so I'm actually reading one of his novels now,

the novel Beast, but I thought it would be a good opportunity for you to meet him and to talk a

little bit about his journey and his vision of where we are in the world and how we can play a positive role in where the world is going.

And so, Paul, thank you for coming.

I really appreciate you giving me the time here.

Well, thanks for inviting me on.

It's great to meet you.

Yeah, wonderful.

So right now I'm starting your novel. I have to admit that I'm not very far into it. So I'm not completely

aware. I've read a little bit, a few of your articles and a bit of your vision of how

artists can participate in this. So maybe you can tell us a little bit about your own journey

in terms of how you see, how you've seen the world

and what that's, where that's brought you. And then we can talk about some vision of the future,

let's say. Yeah, sure. I mean, it's, yes, it's kind of strange and winding journey like for a lot

of us, I imagine. I mean, I've, I've been a writer for about 25 years now in various forms, always wanted to be one.

But I was also an environmental activist for a long time.

And that came, that really developed out of what I can, I can really only describe it as a spiritual connection to nature.

I know that sounds terribly vague,

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