#158 - Brian Deer: A tale of scientific fraud—exposing Andrew Wakefield and the origin of the belief that vaccines cause autism

The Peter Attia Drive

Peter Attia, MD

Health & Fitness, Medicine, Fitness

4.7 • 7.3K Ratings

🗓️ 19 April 2021

⏱️ 110 minutes

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Summary

Brian Deer is an award-winning investigative journalist best known for his coverage of the pharmaceutical industry. In this episode, he and Peter discuss the content of his book, The Doctor Who Fooled the World: Science, Deception, and the War on Vaccines, which exposes the complex and disturbing story behind the infamous 1998 Lancet paper by Andrew Wakefield linking the MMR vaccine and autism. Brian explains how doctors led by Wakefield, a lawyer, and an anti-vaccination parents’ group worked together on a study to validate their preconceived belief that the MMR vaccine caused autism. He reveals what happened behind the scenes as the study was carried out, explains problems in the lab, and discusses inconsistencies in the analysis. In the end, this is a story that serves as a cautionary tale about the consequences of science driven by an agenda rather than by a spirit of open inquiry.

We discuss:

How Andrew Wakefield’s flawed approach to scientific research led to the belief that vaccines cause autism (3:25);
The importance of following the scientific method, and how Wakefield twisted the science to link measles virus to Crohn’s disease (14:15);
The backstory behind Andrew Wakefield’s infamous 1998 Lancet paper linking the MMR vaccine and autism (26:45);
The many flaws and disturbing aspects of Wakefield’s study: suffering children and failure to do strain-specific sequencing (45:15);
The epicenter of fraud: Bogus PCR testing furthering the belief that measles virus from the MMR vaccine caused autism (1:00:00);
Additional issues that contaminated the study results (1:22:15);
Discovering the misrepresented medical records for the kids involved in the study leading to the retraction of the Lancet paper and Wakefield losing his license (1:31:00);
The resurgence of the anti-vaccination movement, Brian’s motivation to write the book, and parting thoughts (1:36:45); and
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0:46.3	Now without further delay, here's today's episode.
0:51.0	I guess this week is Brian Deere.
0:53.0	Brian is a multi-board winning investigative journalist, perhaps best known for his inquiries
0:59.0	into drug companies in the drug industry in general.
1:02.2	But we talk this week about work that he did initially for the Sunday times of London
1:08.8	that ultimately led to a book, The Doctor Who Fooled the World Science Deception and
1:13.6	The War on Vaccines.
1:16.0	And as much as it sounds like this is going to be a podcast about vaccines, while it certainly
1:20.7	is, it's much more discussion about fraud and science using this particular example as
1:28.3	a case.
1:29.3	I read the book as soon as it came out, I believe in the fall of last year, read it again and
1:35.2	then reached out to Brian, requesting an interview.
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