#156 AI Reality VS Speculation with Google Machine Learning Engineer Jiquan Ngiam
The freeCodeCamp Podcast
Quincy Larson
5.0 • 549 Ratings
🗓️ 17 January 2025
⏱️ 113 minutes
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Summary
On this week's episode of the podcast, freeCodeCamp founder Quincy Larson interviews Jiquan Ngiam. He's a former Google Brain engineer who's building tools to make AI useful for everyone – not just developers. We talk about the power of AI and it's practical capabilities, and separate those from a lot of the hype surrounding the AI space.
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We talk about:
- How AI agents work
- Where AI is going and its limitations
- How non-developers can leverage AI
- And how developers can REALLY leverage AI
Can you guess what song I'm playing in the intro?
Links we talk about during our conversation:
- Jiquan's company, Lutra AI: https://lutra.ai/
- Jiquan's article on generative agentic interfaces for working with large spreadsheets: https://blog.lutra.ai/generative-interfaces-for-ai-agents
- Jiquan's article on OODA loops for AI Agents: https://blog.lutra.ai/ooda-loops-for-ai-agents
- A paper Jiquan mentions, Executable Code Actions Elicit Better LLM Agents: https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.01030
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Many people look at LMs, go like, whoa, exponential growth, off to the skies. |
| 0:04.7 | No, like, no. I'm like, actually, no, we are more like on this curve where it goes flat up and it's going to flatten out again, like an ass curve. |
| 0:11.5 | But we're on many as curves. So this is where the bear and bull thing is. So I'm a bit bearish on reasoning abilities going off to the races and like, oh my God, this is going to be super AGI, |
| 0:23.0 | I can reason about anything. I think we're more on the next part of the flattening out of the |
| 0:28.0 | curve for reasoning. Welcome back to the Free Code Camp podcast, your source for raw, unedited |
| 0:34.0 | interviews with developers, this week's musical intro with yours truly on the drums, guitar, bass, and keys. 1996, Kirby Superstar, the theme for King DDD. DDD. The Thank you. The |
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| 1:47.0 | The back to the Free Coke Camp podcast. |
| 2:09.0 | I'm Quincy Larson, teacher and founder of Freakokecamp.org. |
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