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People I (Mostly) Admire

155. Helping People Die

People I (Mostly) Admire

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Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 12 April 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Ellen Wiebe is a physician who helps seriously ill patients end their lives in Canada, where assisted suicide is legal. Is death a human right?

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0:00.0

Most doctors focus on prolonging human life, but not today's guest.

0:10.1

Ellen Weave is a physician who spends her day's ending lives.

0:14.1

I have had these wonderful conversations with so many people where I say now that you have the approval to go ahead, when would you like to die?

0:26.9

Where would you like to die? Who do you want to invite to your death? Anything special you want at the day?

0:42.3

Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

0:48.1

Ellen Weeb lives and works in Canada, where medical assistance in dying, or maid, as it's abbreviated, is not only legal, it's widely practiced.

0:53.4

Almost 5% of all Canadian deaths are the result of physician assistance.

0:58.7

I began our conversation by asking Ellen to explain the history of Canada's law

1:03.6

enabling medical assistance and dying.

1:16.2

It was 2015 that Canadians were given this right.

1:18.0

There was a court case.

1:25.8

It was based on Kay Carter who had gone to Switzerland in order to get an assisted death.

1:31.9

And her family brought the case to say that she shouldn't have had to go to Switzerland,

1:37.5

that she had the right to control her own death and should have been able to have it in her own country.

1:48.4

And then we got our law in 2016 in June, and they added a whole lot of safeguards, rules, regulations that we all had to follow. Over the years, there have been one court challenge after another, so what we have

1:55.0

now is that people are allowed to request and assist to death if they have a grievous and irremediable

2:03.9

medical condition, are suffering unbearably, and are in an advanced state of decline of

2:12.3

capability. And they must have the ability to consent.

2:18.7

Of course, Canada isn't the only place that has assisted down, as you said, Switzerland,

2:23.4

I think it's been legal since 1942 or something like that.

2:27.1

And then Netherlands, it's been legal there and in Belgium since the early 2000s.

2:32.0

And there are a handful of other countries where it's allowed. I was surprised myself

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