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your podcasts, beginning October 19th. I'm Brett and I'm Alice and we are the prosecutors.

Today on the prosecutors, magic spells, black cauldrons, human sacrifices, and drug trafficking,

welcome to the world of Narco Satanism.

Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of The Prosecutors. I'm Brett and in a Halloween twist,

I am not joined today by Alice. We have a special surprise and a special guest,

Alison Dixon, author, extraordinaire, podcaster, extraordinaire, has agreed to join us today

to talk about something that she is an expert in, which is cults. We're going to be talking about a

cult today and how it relates to a Hollywood movie called Borderlands. Let's all welcome

Alison to the show. Hello Alison. Hello Brett, is this thing on? I'm still processing the fact

you're even having me here on your show. In fact, what I've been comparing it to is let's say you're

leaving your house to go run some errands and you're getting into your really perfunctory,

functional Honda to go get some groceries and then your buddy pulls up and up Bentley. He's like,

you want to take this thing for a spin and then tosses me the keys and I'm like, stand in there.

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