So you sat there doing all this financial mumbling and I love doing stuff like that by the way.

I actually love sitting there and working out, is everything going to be okay?

It is so rewarding when you get to that point where the business has finally turned around.

Sage empowers finance professionals like Kat to feel more rewarded,

with helpful business tools and advice from real experts.

Sage helping business flow.

Southern fraud true crime covers cases that are not suitable for young listeners

and there may also be some explicit language used.

In today's episode there are very brief descriptions of child sex trafficking and self-harm.

Listener discretion is advised.

The teenaged killer is a polarizing issue in our society.

We often see it in black and white terms.

They are born bad or they are a product of their upbringing.

And science tells us that our brains are not fully formed until about the age of 25.

We might understand that academically, but when a teenager commits a heinous murder,

we are blinded by the brutality.

It's rarely a question of whether or not they are tried as adults. They usually are.

The horrific acts of violence suddenly and irrevocably makes them adults.

Today's case is about a brutal double murder.

It's the kind of overkill we associate with rage, with psychopaths, with adults.

Holly Harvey was 15 and Sandy Ketchum was 16 and they were in love.

Both had dismal upbringing, especially Holly,

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