Welcome to the Jordan B. Peterson podcast. This is season four, episode four. I'm Michaela Peterson.

This episode was recorded with Matt Ridley on January 11th, 2021.

Matt Ridley is a British best-selling author, the origins of virtue, the rational optimist, how innovation works, and many more,

whose best known for his writings on science, the environment, and economics.

He's also a well-respected journalist, businessman, and a member of the House of Lords in the UK.

Matt and Jordan spoke about economic optimism, trade through the reciprocity of nations,

enlightened self-interest, feeding 9 billion people, the triumphs of cities and much more.

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