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🗓️ 23 June 2020
⏱️ 61 minutes
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153 Normalization of Deviance and Red Bull Air Races - Interview with Mike Goulian
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153 Aerobatic national champion and air show pilot Mike Goulian talks about how if a pilot or an organization gets away with deviant behavior, it becomes normalized. Mike shares observations on air show accidents, the changes brought about by the ICAS Safety Creed, and his own personal experience of being called out by an air show pilot for a subtle change Mike made in his air show performances.
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0:00.0 | And sometimes we get outside of our envelope and we don't even know it. |
0:06.4 | Or you might know it. |
0:07.5 | And again, I was portraying a perfect case of normalization of deviants, right? |
0:12.4 | I was just going along great. |
0:14.9 | And I was just getting along with it until somebody else pointed it out from me that saw a visible glaring error from the outside. |
0:25.4 | Hello again and welcome to Aviation News Talk, a weekly show with relevant news and flying tips for pilots and student pilots to help keep you safe. |
0:32.6 | I'm Max Ruscott. You probably know Mike Gullion as an air show pilot in Red Bull Air Race Racer, but you may not know that he's also a flight school owner, and like me, a Cirrus C-Sysip flight instructor. |
0:45.1 | Now, I know Mike from the annual Cirrus aircraft conferences, where he once gave a great presentation on normalization of deviance. |
0:52.4 | Mike talked about his own personal experience with it, and he says |
0:54.9 | it's a pitfall that any pilot at any experience level can fall into, and it can lead to disaster. |
1:01.0 | And in a few seconds, we'll be talking to Mike about that, and about how his preparation for the |
1:05.1 | Red Bull Air Races was similar to planning for any long cross-country flight. Mike is all about |
1:10.4 | promoting a culture of safety, |
1:11.9 | and there's a lot we can learn from him. Last week in episode 152, we talked with Rod Rickick |
1:17.6 | about aircraft renters insurance. So if you missed that episode, you may want to check it out |
1:21.6 | at AviationNewstalk.com slash 152. This week, I tried something new, and I videotaped the conversation with Mike Gullion, |
1:29.6 | and in that video, I'll be including some footage of Mike flying aerobatics. If you'd like to see |
1:34.7 | that video, subscribe now on YouTube to our Aviation News Talk channel, and you'll be notified |
1:39.8 | when I post the video. And of course, you'll find a link to our YouTube channel in our show notes at |
1:44.9 | AviationNewstalk.com slash 153. |
1:48.0 | And at the very end of the show, I'll tell you about how you can support the show financially |
1:52.0 | as this is a listener-supported show. |
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