do things that make you uncomfortable.

And I think that's really stupid.

What I think is like you should do things that make you uncomfortable because you know they provide value for the thing that you want to accomplish.

And having like reaching out coldly asking to talk to people that may be awkward.

Let's not pretend it's not.

It may be a challenge.

Let's not pretend it's not.

Let's acknowledge that. But also just know those are the types of things, especially in where we are right now that you're going to have to do to give yourself the best opportunity to get to that milestone, which is a next role. It's a first role as a developer. It's a first role in tech. It's a salary that you've never had before.

It's time off and vacation that you've never had before. It's the ability to prioritize work-life balance

that you've had before. Welcome back to the Free Code Camp podcast, your source for raw, unedited

interviews with devs. This week's episode, How to Get a Developer Job, even in this economy,

with James Q. Quick. This week's musical intro with yours truly on the guitar, drums, bass,

and keys, the 1987 arcade classic Shinobi. The

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The Welcome back to the Free Code Camp podcast.

I'm Quincy Larsen, teacher, and founder of Freakokecamp.org.

Each week, we'll bring you insight from developers, founders, and ambitious people in tech.

This week, we're talking with James Q. Quick. He's a developer, speaker, and teacher. James grew up in Memphis. He was an athlete who played violin and knew nothing about computer science, but chose it as his college major.

Since then, he's not only worked as a dev at Microsoft and FedEx and a whole lot of other

startups, but he's also given more than 100 talks at conferences about technical topics.

James, it's great to have you here, man.

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