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We cannot separate ourselves from nature, even in the urban cities.

Everything that we do and we touch relies on some ecology somewhere.

Why do we need to go past sustainable living to regenerative living today?

And how is our dominant view of advancement misguided, not leading us to the true abundance and fulfillment that we really crave?

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For now, to our conversation with Janice Setzer and Sasha Rabin, the executive director and

Natural Building Director of Well Springs Permaculture, which is a leading environmental

educational nonprofit that empowers students of all ages and backgrounds with the knowledge,

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