These days, we're not competing with the law firm down the street.

We're competing with the Amazon's, the Zappos, the Mandarin Orientals of the world.

That's Paul Llewellyn, co-founder of Lewis and Llewellyn and the author of Unshackled,

reimagining the practice of law.

So I want every touch of my firm to be a concierge white

glove service. I'm Michael Logel, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law

from growth company. I've built my business through practice,

not theory. Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in

revenue over the last few years, earning a spot on the Inc. 500 list of the fastest growing

private companies in America. Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating

massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed law firm owners do the same for theirs. In each episode of this

podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from

those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means

to be a true game changer. I sat down with Paul Llewellyn to discuss why many lawyers enter the legal profession with admirable goals,

but often face disillusionment, dissatisfaction and burnout, the change is necessary to create a more humane and human-centered profession,

and why great attorneys are made not born.

The great thing about lawyers, you're always learning, so I don't profess to know everything.

I don't profess to get it exactly right every time.

So I think just that culture of learning, what can I do to support you, my colleague,

what bar associations you're interested in, where would you like to speak at,

and what can we do to further your career?

How can we help you develop business?

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