Listeners, is that you? There you are!

What's Kirk in good looking is what I'm going to say to you, listeners.

All's well over here, a rip lining on my kitchen bench situation.

It's got a cushion, so I'm pretty comfy.

Now then, I've got a fact for you, listeners, from my reclining sofa position.

Today is a very important day. It marks 18 years since the repeal of section 28.

What was section 28, I hear you ask.

It was something introduced by the Thatcher government in 1988, and section 28 prohibited

the intentional promotion of homosexuality by local authorities and schools.

So you couldn't teach homosexuality in schools, and it was such a terrible bit of legislation,

which is the reason why I was never told that there was such thing as gay people in school

and beyond why many of you listening have said that, and so many of you write in and say,

part of what was quite distressing about school is that it wasn't taught.

And very beautiful stories I've heard from some of you about, little tacit,

Tom Allen spoke about, actually, little tacit nods from teachers,

knowing that they couldn't teach you about gayness, but they wanted you to know nonetheless

that they knew that you were.

One of the people who led the campaign that means we have this anniversary of it being repealed

is Lord Michael Cashman. And he is our guest today. He was at the forefront of the campaign,

because he was a huge star at the time. He was in EastEnders.

He also went on to do many, many other things, including Founding Stonewall.

And the Guardian, in fact, did not say about him saying the man who changed the world.

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