Hello Nancy. Hi Joe how are you I am doing well. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. Thanks for letting me come and talk. My pleasure so tell everybody what you do. So I am, well, my day job, I'm a professor in the psychology department at Cal State Fullerton.

And in my side gig, I am a forensic and police psychologist.

That is a very appropriate subject for the strange times we find ourselves in right now.

Indeed.

So as you are watching all this play out from the George Floyd murder to where we're at right now,

what has this been like for you since this is your field of study?

It's a weird place to be in. You're kind of, for me, caught in between two worlds it seems.

I mean, my job is to take care of police officers. caught in between two worlds it seems.

I mean, my job is to take care of police officers.

So keep them healthy, keep them well,

to make sure that they can do a good job doing their jobs. And so the first thing I see is, we got a mess on our hands.

For me, when I see a lot of the videos that end up on TV, my initial reaction is, is well let's have a look is

there something really to be upset about here and well obviously in seeing

the video of George Floyd's murder there's a whole lot to be upset about here and so you know heartache comes

from that and then my you know my next response is to kick in is okay we've got

problems on both sides we need to not only figure out why such

things are happening and prevent them because that's not good nobody wants bad

policing even the police don't want bad policing.

On the other hand, how do we also take care of our officers who are out there who now have to go out and continue doing their jobs in a really difficult and overwhelming environment.

Yeah, it's such a strange time because on one hand you got all these people that are calling out for defunding the police.

And, you know, this is is here's a point of view that Ben Shapiro had when he talked about the protests.

He said he said saying they're mostly peaceful protest is like saying O.J. Simpson had a mostly peaceful day

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