Good day, Thomas Jefferson, our podcast listeners as always.

Thank you so much for listening and thank you so much

for supporting the show.

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all sorts of stuff.

And again, thank you for listening and supporting the show.

So please, this week to be joined by Joe Ellis.

It's been a while since he's been on the show.

We're so glad to hear that he's recovering

from his recent surgery.

And he came on the show to talk about David McCullough,

who recently passed.

And it was great to hear the two of you share stories

about him, Clay.

Well, I should say that I barely knew David McCullough

and looked up to him from a much, much,

much lower plateau than Joe, Joe knew him well.

They had conversations they met at different times.

They debated American history, particularly John Adams.

And so it was great to listen to Joe talk

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