First of all George pleasure to meet you.

Joe great to talk to you.

An honor.

Great to see you in person.

Great to see you too.

And Jeremy, good to see you again, my friend.

Hey Joe, good to see you man.

This is, we're doing this often.

This is becoming a thing.

George, I think that you're probably like one of the most important figures when it comes to journalism and UFOs and when you broke the Bog's bizarre story was that is that 89 when was that 1989 89 89 89?

89.

1989 I remember reading about it or I remember hearing about it I remember watching clips on television and watching

countless Bob Lazar interviews it all came out of you I mean did you think at that time

mean what was your thoughts about UFOs before you had met

Bob Lazar and how much did it change while you got to know him and hear his story?

I changed quite a bit. I had not really given it much thought at all. you know, probably the same level of curiosity as most people.

You go about your life, you pay your bills, you go to work, you love your family, and it's always out there somewhere.

Hey, I wonder what the deal is on that, but not had not and it's always out there somewhere.

Hey I wonder what the deal is on that,

but not had not really dwelled on it until it was a day in 1987

into the studio comes a guy named John Lear.

And I had heard sort of a little bit about him.

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