It's an honor to have you here.

I really appreciate you coming down and doing the show.

You have a phenomenal body of work behind you from phenomenon, all the before that your latest film um it's totally absolutely

mind-bending some of the stuff that you do uh for people that aren't familiar i doubt there's any but

for people that don't know or aren't familiar with your work just give me a brief background on how

you got into this subject, filmmaking.

How brief?

Yeah, we got plenty of time.

Okay, because I could actually give you a slightly less brief version, because it's kind of funny of how I got into it all.

Were you into filmmaking, were you originally just a filmmaker first and just got into, got obsessed with this topic of UFOs and UAPs?

Kind of.

Kind of.

So, because I can tell just by your work, I mean, just your, the way you produce your films, the style and everything.

I'm a big fan of that in a totally separate bubble of the topic.

Like, if you even separate the UFO topic which

is fascinating the style at you of your films and the way you cut them and the way you shoot them

i'm a huge fan of that well thank you so i strive for credibility with the phenomenon because

i used to always tell people they're like oh you got to add the green smoke and the, you know, the cheesy lights.

And I'm like, no, you don't.

The story itself, any UFO story is so fascinating, so otherworldly.

Excuse the pun there, but that I would always say,

if you could add credibility to a fascinating story,

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