Welcome back to Seamus Popery. I'm Joe Heschmire. And this is going to be a little different of an

episode that I normally do. As you may know, I was just down in Arkansas this past week to debate James White on the sacrifice of the mass. I'm really pleased with how the debate turned out. And from the 3,000 plus comments that people have posted so far, it seems that many of you were pleased as well. So I'm going to link to it at the end, if you haven't seen it yet.

I think many of the Protest pleased as well. So I'm going to link to it at the end,

if you haven't seen it yet. I think many of the Protestants who watched the debate were actually

surprised at just how much evidence there is for the Catholic case for the Mass, both from the

Bible and from honestly a huge number of early Christian sources. Now, on that note, I want to give a quick follow-up.

One of the issues that came up during the debate was this question of whether or not we

can trust the writings of St. Ignatius of Anchev from 107, whether they're even from

Ignatius, and even whether Ignatius himself ever existed.

There has been a tremendous amount of scholarly skepticism expressed as to whether

Ignatius even existed and which letters are actually, because there's a Latin and there's a shorter

and there's a, I was not taught that, but I'm sort of catching up with that. So if, so that,

I hope, Ignatius, and people like that are, I hope, I hope, I hope, it's becoming... Yeah, Candide, and people like that are taking a view, but it's a fringe view in Scotland.

I hope it's becoming the central view.

Now, after I recorded this recap episode you're about to hear, I recorded it on Monday night when I was only 39. I'm 40 now. James came out with a 90-minute response video, claiming he'd been misrepresented on whether or not he'd called Ignatius' existence into question,

or whether or not he had called Ignatian mythicism, the central view.

It's good to be careful.

It's good to revisit what people thought was a consensus.

And that's all I was trying to do in answering the question.

But then, by misrepresenting me, and I challenged him after the debate,

I came up to him and said, I really didn't appreciate the fact that in your closing statement,

and he apologized. Now, I'm not sure what he's going to say on the video tomorrow. My strong

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