Good day, Thomas Jefferson, our podcast listeners.

And thank you so much for listening.

This week a special one-on-one conversation

between Clay Jenkinson and our, what did you call him?

Our West Coast correspondent, I believe.

For enlightenment questions and exploration,

Mr. David McCandry.

And this week, in fact, you do talk about exploration.

So here's what's so interesting, you know,

when something is discovered, you know,

one of Captain Cook's Boats in Rhode Island,

now the endeavor in Antarctic waters,

a Mercury capsule that sank into the Atlantic Ocean

during the space program in the United States,

or the Titanic for that matter.

When these things are discovered,

they produce an enormous worldwide fascination.

It's not quite clear why, David, but they do.

And it's thrilling to think that the endeavor,

you know, Shackleton was in the Antarctic 1914 to 1917.

They got landlocked.

He managed to keep all of his men alive under almost,

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