1502: A Mormon Lesbian Love Story Pt. 1 - Lena Schwen and Sal Osborne
Mormon Stories Podcast
Dr. John Dehlin
4.6 • 5.2K Ratings
🗓️ 8 November 2021
⏱️ 222 minutes
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Summary
What happens when two closeted lesbian Mormon women marry men, have children, then cross paths and fall in love? In this very special Mormon Stories 2 part episode, we are honored to share one of the most important interviews in the history of the podcast. This is the story of Lena Schwen and Sal Osborne. In part 1, Sal describes dating in high school, feeling as though part of her died as she married a man in the LDS temple, and struggling with her ex-husband and band mate as they toured in the group “Love You Long Time”. Lena, a teenage convert from a divorced Catholtic Italian home, takes us through the heartbreaking events that led to her conversion into the LDS church. Lena has a truly unique story and fascinating perspectives from the eyes of a convert! We end part one with Lena realizing that raising children with the values taught by the LDS church made her feel like her time being a dedicated Mormon wife was running out. We hope you’ll tune in to part 2 to hear how these two amazing women overcame enormous hurdles to become the couple they are today!
Show Notes:
- Wipeout, Season 2 Episode 8, Sal and her former husband were the winners
- Sal and her husband's band, Love You Long Time
- Sal's Instagram for coaching LGBTQ people who are coming out
- Peace Out podcast hosted by Sal Osborne
- Lena's holistic nutrition business
- Mormon Stories interview with Tyler Glenn
- Mormon Stories interview with Wayne and Alex Sermon
- Lesbians Who Look Like Justin Bieber
- The Principles of Healthy Sexuality, with Natasha Helfer, on Mormon Stories
- Mormon Stories interview with Tom Phillips
- Letter for My Wife
- Jennifer Finlayson-Fife's "Art of Desire" workshops
- The Family: A Proclamation to the World
- Testimonies and Spiritual Experiences Across Religions - Emotions are Not Reliable to Discern Truth
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| 0:00.0 | Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories podcast. I'm your host John |
| 0:04.7 | Delin. It is October 25th, 2021 and today we are super excited to have two wonderful guests |
| 0:12.8 | in the studio. Hey guys. Hey. Hey. Our guest today are Linus, Shwin and Sal Osborne. Is |
| 0:19.6 | that right? Did I get that right? Perfect. And the title that we have for today's episode |
| 0:24.2 | is a Mormon lesbian love story. And this is, I mean, I don't know if I should be proud or embarrassed |
| 0:30.8 | to say that this is the first time in 16 years in the history of Mormon Stories podcast where we've |
| 0:36.0 | had a lesbian couple tell their story. And it's a Mormon slash post Mormon lesbian couple telling |
| 0:42.7 | their story. Both Sal and Lena kind of were active and faithful in the church in their, let's just |
| 0:48.9 | say in their adult years. They have slightly different stories, but they both ended up marrying |
| 0:53.8 | in traditional heterosexual Mormon marriages, having children and then we'll wait to tell you kind |
| 1:00.0 | of what happens next. But I guess I just wanted to begin by saying guys, thank you so much, |
| 1:04.6 | Gals. Thank you so much for coming on Mormon Stories podcast. Thank you for having us. This is |
| 1:10.4 | a privilege. I feel it's surreal for me. Yes. Definitely. It's a big day. Yeah. We're honored to be here. |
| 1:17.3 | Well, I'm so excited. And if that weren't all, we also have with us writing as co-host the one, |
| 1:25.8 | the only Care Braille. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm so excited for this one. I got to spend |
| 1:32.7 | a little bit of time with these lovely ladies over the weekend at a little party. Got to meet Sal's |
| 1:37.0 | younger brother Joe, right? That's right. Yes. So all alone all basically a powerhouse family. |
| 1:42.5 | Anyway, you look at it. So it's an honor to have you guys here today. We are instant friends. We |
| 1:47.7 | became instant friends with Kara. She's pretty awesome. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We've been just via text. |
| 1:52.4 | She's our people. Yeah. We're in. You're in your family now. Yeah. We first met this weekend, |
| 1:57.9 | but I already felt like a lifelong friendship already totally. Yes. This is going to be a good one |
| 2:02.8 | you guys. And John, I mean, I've been listening to you for many years. Your voice is part of my psyche. |
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