Hello people of podcast land, welcome back. My guest today is none other than Derek Sivers.

Right entrepreneur, programmer, fascinating human. He is one of the best guests I've ever heard on Tim Ferriss's show.

Some very fortunate to have got a hold of him and sit him down on the big stage, obviously, modern wisdom.

So yeah, I've had a long list of questions to go through today, including what have you been working on recently?

Get to find out where Derek's been spending his time. When are you going to finally release the now three books that he's been sat on?

Excellent in life and how he perceives it. Why nuance is where truth lies rather than in a simple and succinct answer, values and how they can both guide and restrict the way that we operate.

Why it doesn't matter that we only live for a short period of time and in 50 years, no one may even remember our names.

Oh, it was so good. Derek, man, thank you so much for coming on. It was phenomenal. I already want to do another one.

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Derek Sivers in the building. How are you, man?

Any particular building will do. Yes, I am in a building. You are in the building. You're in our building today.

That's true. I mean, you are audio building. Thank you for having me to your audio home.

Thank you very much for joining us. So as a man who says no to a lot, very glad that he said yes to coming on this podcast.

It's been a while since I've heard you put out an audio podcast and very honored to be the guy that we've reented 2012 with.

Well, it's a 2012. 2012, 2020. You can tell it's been a long day.

Yeah, I really, really like what you're doing with modern wisdom. I really like your topics of conversation. So these days when somebody asks me to do an interview, you know, I've got nothing I'm promoting or pitching.

So it's all about the quality of conversation. And you sent me some really interesting topics of conversation.

Thank you. Yeah, it's, there's two types of guests I've found doing the podcast. One are guests who do their due diligence and then jump in.

And then there's another type who liked to really go deep before we begin about what we're going to be talking about.

And both of them I find to have their have their merits. But yeah, it's I'm really looking forward to today to the listeners. I've been going back with Derek since November time before I went to Bali before I went to Greece.

And I've been thinking about all of these different questions. So we've we've got a big breadcrumb trail of stuff that we've been thinking about.

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