Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Reveal.

I'm Ellie Cawthorne. 2020 is the History Extra podcast's 15th birthday.

So to mark 15 years of fascinating historical conversations,

we've asked 15 historians to nominate a figure from history

who they think deserves their 15 minutes of

fame. Some are inspiring people who deserve more airtime today. Others are those whose significance

in history has been overlooked. And some simply led fascinating and unexpected lives. In today's

episode, Professor Michael Scott nominates

Clythsonese, a 6th century BC aristocrat, who's considered by some to be the father of

Athenian democracy, even though it wasn't the democracy we might recognize today. Kev Lachun spoke

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