Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine and BBC History

Reveal. I'm Ellie Cawthorne.

2020 is the History Extra podcast's 15th birthday.

So to mark 15 years of fascinating historical conversations, we've asked 15 historians to

nominate a figure from history who they think deserves their 15

minutes of fame. Some are inspiring people who deserve more airtime today. Others are those

whose significance in history has been overlooked. And some simply led fascinating and unexpected

lives. Today's guest is Dr Fern Riddell.

She's joining us to nominate the Victorian-era transgender man, Charlie Wilson.

Ellen Evans spoke to Fern to find out more.

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