You think telling the community that she's a victim of sexual assault, having to get on the witness stand and with stand process

examination from someone you care experienced, was fun for her?

And I don't think the justice system is set up in any way shape or form to actually bring justice to a situation like that or determine the truth.

It is just a sad fact today in our society that more rape cases are lost in trial than are won.

Hello and welcome to best case worst case. This is your host Jim Clementi, former New York City prosecutor retired FBI profiler and currently writer producer on CBS's criminal minds.

And with me today is my lovely co host.

Hi Jim, it's francey Hakes former state and federal prosecutor. I'm glad to be with you from sunny Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Awesome. And today we have a very special guest colleague Kirk Nirmy. He's the attorney who defended the infamous Jody areas. How you doing Kirk?

Good. Good to be with you both.

Thank you so much for coming on best case worst case. As you know, this is a podcast where we try to take our listeners.

Behind police lines behind the cases, tell them the things that happened to the people, the professionals that work on the side of justice and investigations and court cases.

And of course you were involved in in a really huge way in one of the biggest cases of our time. And that was the trial of Jody areas.

But today we'd like to talk to you about what the best case of your career was. And to begin with, can you just tell us what kind of case it is not not the specifics, but just what kind of case can we start there?

Sure. This was a case my client was charged with sex assault and kidnapping. It was a few counts of sexual assault and one count of kidnapping.

And how did the case come to you?

I was working as a public defender at the time this was probably five, six years ago now and I was working as a public defender. This is before I joined the capital unit at the public defender's office.

Okay. And and so tell us the circumstances, what what what went on like when you found the case like what did you know did it seem like it was going to be a difficult case that it seemed like it was going to be a no brainer or the circumstances.

Now when we get a case of the public defender's office, we generally get a police report and that was all we get and we get a chance to read it before we talk to our client.

And the basic facts were that my client was a young man who returned from desert storm and had PTSD. He didn't stay over there long.

He was kind of struggling when he got back and he took a job as a waiter in a restaurant.

And that is where he met the supposed victim who was a hostess at this restaurant.

They began a relationship. She was about 10 years as senior. They began a relationship.

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