Hey there. Thanks for joining me. You're listening to drinking from the toilet. And I'm Hannah Branigan.

This week, I had a rare chance to hang out with my

training buddy and reluctant podcast guest, Shade White Sole. We don't get to hang out as often as I'd

like because, well, mostly because she lives on the complete other side of the country from where I

live. So our paths don't cross in real life as often as I wish that they did because she's one of

my favorite people to train with. We do so many things alike, even though we have completely

different dogs and we train completely different sports. The way we approach problems is there's a lot

in common. But also enough different that I always learn something and I always get good feedback and a different point of view just from that experience of spending time with a really high level trainer who is able to speak my language.

So it's one of my favorite things to do when we hang out.

And you may remember Shade from episode, I believe it's number

seven, where we talked about a few other things. And this time we were hanging out,

training dogs, and after a beer or so, I was able to convince her to hop on a podcast with me.

So this one was pretty informal. We just recorded it

using my phone. So you'll notice the audio is not as amazing as usual, but it's also not

terrible. And I think it was really interesting. We talked about this idea that I first heard

of from her, which is the term force light in sort of air quotes there. And, well, I'll let,

I'll let her tell you what it means to her. And we'll talk about a couple of different

examples in real life and kind of explore it. This is one of those things where there's no

right or wrong answer, but I think for a lot of us that have, you know, are continuing our journey

in trying to be more positive and more quickly with our training and with our interactions with

people, these are scenarios that I think maybe will resonate with a few people. I hope that they

do. I hope it's not just me. But anyways,

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