When people say bully, they think, oh, push you against a locker, make you give them the lunch money.

We've just ordered food and it's just arrived.

We've got mac and cheese and avocados. And we're very excited. Not together.

We'll take a short break and then come back. Yes.

You're listening to Feminist Don't Wear Pink, the podcast, based on the book, Feminist

Don't Wear Pink and Other Lies, a collection of writing by 52 women on what feminism means to

them. I'm Scarlett Curtis, I'm a writer, activist, journalist and very, very proud feminist.

I'm also the curator of this book and the presenter of the podcast.

During this series, I'm going to be talking to a few of the amazing contributors who've written

in our book to find out how they found their feminism and some of the lives that they've been

told about what it means to be a woman.

Our guest this week is the fascinating, wonderful, powerful Emily Odessa.

M is an 18-year-old activist who founded a magazine called Teen Eye when she was in high school.

I met her during her first week as an intern in New York at Sad Girls Club, and the second we met,

I knew she was going to be in my life forever. She is a teenage force to be reckoned with.

She hosted a show on Vice where she travelled around the country interviewing young people about

politics. Her Instagram is my actual favourite place on the internet,

and she talks about feminism, mental health and what it means to be a woman with more

fluency and insight than almost anyone I know. I love her with all my heart, and she's the

definitive example of the way in which Gen Z are literally going to save

the world so none of us have to worry. We recorded this episode on my bed in a hotel in New York

so the audio isn't perfect but I hope you like our chat. So I'm here today with Emma Dessa

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