Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories podcast. I am your co-host for today, Dr. John Delin and as always as a recent

We are so thrilled to have with us in studio care, Barrel. Hey, Cara welcome back. Hey, hey John. Good to have you. Yeah, thanks for having me. We are in store for a treat today

I'm just gonna tell you this is a name Cara

You and I think our listening audience should all know but I'm guessing there are some people who don't know this guest our guest for today is

Epic historian Nul Bringerst Hey, Nul. Hi. Thanks for joining us. Well, it's I was a pleasure to be here and I hope we can have a good productive

dialogue discussion. I think we will

So for those who have no idea who Nul is Nul has been engaged in Mormon history and Mormon studies for multiple decades

He is the author of several books. There's a new biography coming out in Harold B. Lee. He's done a biography on Brigham Young

He has done several books on African-Americans or blacks in the church and

His academic and his historical credentials are long

What was your first book, Nul?

St. Slaves and blacks which was published in 1981

It was derivative out of my doctoral dissertation that I did as a graduate student at the University of California Davis

You see Davis. Yeah, and I'm at Nul I haven't seen 2005 2006 at you know some of my first sunstones and Nul has been attending

Sunstone for many many years as well

I was reminded of Nul's great work in my recent interactions with historian Matt Harris because Matt

collaborated with you on that book about the gospel topics essays. Is that right Nul? Yes, that's correct

Yeah, and also you collaborated with Darren Smith on

Another book about blacks in the priesthood if I'm if I'm yes

We looked at the what had happened within the church of subsequent to the

1978 revelation is actually an anthology we had

recouped a number of eminent scholars and experts in in the field including the late great

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