This is a Glass Box Media Podcast. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Welcome to Crawl space. I'm Tim here today with Lance not in the crawl space

studios in Wormtown but being joined remotely through the magic of the internet.

What's up, Lance?

Yeah, the internet, this new thing, the internet,

which is really getting us by during these interesting times that we live in. I'm doing well. How are you today, Tim?

I'm doing good. I'm also thankful for the internet and the great people still working out there and obviously we all know what state the world is

that we don't have to get into it too much but Lance this interview is really something it's with a fellow named Sean

Cribbon and his friend named Billy Greer. They are working on a documentary. The

documentary is called Was I Next, the Sean Cribbon's Story and Billy Greer is producing this documentary about

Sean's encounter with a serial killer the fellow named Bruce MacArthur from Toronto, Canada.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Bruce MacArthur was Canada's serial killer from 2010 to 2017

and he preyed primarily on the gay community in Toronto's gay village and

cabbage town which is another which is a section of Toronto sort of an alternative

section of Toronto, sort of an alternative section of Toronto, and Sean

Cribbon was one of two that survived one of his attacks, which his story is

mind-blowing on so many levels from how he first met Bruce MacArthur, the relationship

that they had, it was primarily an online relationship relationship the first day that they met the

crazy first thing that he he said to Bruce when he met him and and the attack itself

and how he survived it right down to like the survivor's guilt that he had which is

sort of heart-wrenching to hear it really is and it's compelling to hear what

what someone is going through someone in the situation that Sean is someone who really should have been killed by Bruce MacArthur,

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