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The Al Franken Podcast

149: Heather Cox Richardson on Her Book Democracy Awakening

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4.67.7K Ratings

🗓️ 7 January 2024

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Heather says that Trumpers have bought into an alternative reality and that we are, at this moment, on a knife’s edge. She’s an historian and not a clairvoyant. But she’s also an activist, doing all she can to spread the word through historical analysis. Beat that, Trump!

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0:00.0

Hey everybody. Well, we're starting the new year with a great one for once.

0:12.3

Heather Cox Richardson joins me to talk about her New York Times bestselling book,

0:18.5

Democracy Awakening. You might know, Heather, if you're one of the

0:22.9

millions of subscribers to her daily substack, the most popular one in America. And if you listen to

0:30.3

this one today, you'll understand why. In our conversation, Heather says we are on a knife's edge, meaning that we could go either way this year.

0:41.3

I'm talking about the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, November 5th.

0:47.5

Yikes.

0:49.4

You know, while Trump was president, I was always very careful not to use words about him like fascist.

0:59.0

Because fascism is, and I quote, a far-right authoritarian political ideology characterized

1:06.9

always by an authoritarian leader, forcible suppression of opposition, and a belief

1:13.7

in a natural social hierarchy. And I don't remember where I got that, but it seems right.

1:21.1

Anyway, even when I was tempted, I was always careful not to use the word fascist about Trump.

1:30.8

But Trump's rhetoric these days is making it hard to avoid the word because he's been going to

1:38.1

the language of blood poisoning. He has said several times now that the people coming across the border are, quote, poisoning the blood of our country.

1:50.0

And I got that straight from Trump's mouth, unless PBS and MSNBC were using the same AI app to create this, and they're not, because he's been repeating it.

2:04.8

He's using Adolf Hitler's language. In M. Kempf, Hitler wrote, all great cultures of the

2:11.0

past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning.

2:19.7

So what Trump is saying is pretty much exactly the same as Hitler.

2:24.5

Immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

2:28.6

Now, Trump defended himself a couple weeks ago by saying,

2:32.4

I never read Minkv.

2:35.8

So how could he know he was echoing Hitler?

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