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Lex Fridman Podcast

#149 – Diana Walsh Pasulka: Aliens, Technology, Religion, and the Nature of Belief

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Lex Fridman

Technology, Society & Culture, Philosophy, Science

4.713.6K Ratings

🗓️ 28 December 2020

⏱️ 182 minutes

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Diana Walsh Pasulka is a professor of philosophy and religion at UNCW and author of American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, and Technology. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
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(00:00) – Introduction
(08:28) – What is real?
(13:56) – Can beliefs become reality?
(18:59) – Donald Hoffman
(22:57) – Immanuel Kant’s Critique of Pure Reason
(26:27) – Ayn Rand
(33:25) – How do religions start?
(48:38) – Religion is an evolutionary advantage
(53:59) – Religion used in propaganda
(58:32) – What did Nietzsche mean by “God is Dead”?
(1:03:59) – American Cosmic
(1:07:45) – What do aliens look like?
(1:16:28) – History of space programs
(1:19:30) – Jacques Vallee
(1:28:55) – Artificial intelligence
(1:34:25) – Ufology community
(1:45:38) – Psychedelics
(1:49:35) – Tic Tac UFO
(1:58:09) – Roswell UFO incident
(2:09:14) – Bob Lazar
(2:12:50) – Monoliths in the desert
(2:23:39) – Humans will co-evolve with AI
(2:26:58) – Neuralink
(2:31:48) – Singularity
(2:41:39) – Books: Nietzsche
(2:46:44) – Books: Hannah Arendt
(2:51:43) – Fear of death
(2:56:11) – Meaning of life

Transcript

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0:00.0

The following is a conversation with Diana Walsh Poussalca, a professor of philosophy and religion at UNCW and author of American Cosmic, UFOs, Religion and Technology.

0:12.0

This book is one of the most fascinating explorations of the interconnected nature of technology, belief, and the mystery of alien intelligence.

0:21.0

Quick mention of our sponsors, Element Electrolite Drink, Grammarly Writing Plugin, Business Wars Podcast and Cash App.

0:30.0

So the choice is health, grammar, knowledge, or money. Choose wisely, my friends.

0:36.0

And if you wish, click the sponsor links below to get a discount and to support this podcast.

0:41.0

As a side note, let me say, as I did in the recent video on how many intelligent alien civilizations are out there, that the nature of alien life, intelligence, and how they might communicate with us humans is likely stranger than we imagine.

0:57.0

And perhaps stranger than we can imagine.

1:01.0

What is most fascinating to me is how the belief in the communication with such civilizations changes people's understanding of the world, and, as Diana argues, the technology we create.

1:14.0

Technological innovation itself seems to manifest the mythology in our collective intelligence that turns the seemingly impossible into reality, just a matter of years, through the belief of individual humans that carry out that innovation.

1:29.0

The nature and power of this belief in both technology and extraterrestrial intelligence is mysterious and fascinating.

1:38.0

Perhaps holding the key to us humans, understanding our own mind, our consciousness, and engineering versions of it in the machines we create.

1:47.0

If you enjoy this thing, subscribe on YouTube, review it on Apple Podcast, follow on Spotify, support on Patreon, or connect with me on Twitter, Alexa Friedman.

1:57.0

As usual, I'll do a few minutes of ads now, and no ads in the middle. I do try to make these interesting, but I give you time stamps, so if you skip, please still check out the sponsors by clicking the links in the description.

2:08.0

It is the best way to support this podcast.

2:11.0

This episode is brought to you by Element, Electrally Drink Mix, spelled LMNT.

2:18.0

For many years now, my diet has been a low carb one, mostly keto, with about 20 to 30 grams of carbs a day.

2:27.0

In conjunction with that, I fast often, either intermittent fasting for like a 16 to 8 hours split, or 1 meal a day with a 24 hour fast.

2:37.0

I try to learn a lot about my body, so I do know through some experimentation that this does work for me, and I do also know that it works for many others.

2:46.0

I also try to maximize physical and mental performance.

2:49.0

To do these diets correctly, the number one thing you have to get right is electrolytes, specifically sodium, potassium, and magnesium.

2:57.0

That's where Element comes in. It's my go-to, electrolyte drink mix for avoiding any kind of bad feeling while I'm on the keto diet or one fasting.

3:06.0

Also, I drink it before running.

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