the phi will come if you master that equation.

And then, yeah, hopefully by the time you get there, you don't even really care because

you've mastered that whole happiness, time, money trifecta.

And you're just cruising along, having a great time doing exactly what you want.

Welcome to the real estate and financial independence podcast.

I'm your host, Chad Carson.

You can also call me Coach, and this is a show all about investing in real estate, achieving financial independence, and doing more of what matters.

Hello, everyone, whether you're a new listener or a long-term listener, it's great to have you

here today.

I am super excited about today's episode.

And of course, I like all of the episodes, but I get to interview Brandon Gantz, also

better known as the Mad Scientist in today's episode, and the topic is pursuing your dreams after financial independence.

So in this conversation, I'm going to talk to Brandon, who if you don't know him, you got to check

his website out. I'm going to have a lot of links in the show description. He's pretty well

known in the financial independence community, which I write and blog and YouTube in. He left his job as a computer programmer

in his early 30s and pursued some other things, including his website, but most importantly

that we're talking about today, being a musician and playing and producing his own album,

which is actually just coming out here in a couple weeks from when this episode is going live.

And I couldn't be more excited to share the behind the scenes story of his financial independence

journey, some of the disillusionment he had, thinking that money and getting out of his job

and quitting a job that he didn't love as much as he thought would kind of make things better

and it didn't. But then how he

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