Hi, welcome back to another episode of prosecuting Donald Trump. It is Monday, December 18th. I'm Andrew

Weisman. I'm here with Mary McCord and Mary, one thing to say to you, $148 million.

Yeah, it's a huge, huge verdict.

It's a huge hit to Rudy Giuliani,

but it is a huge development and advancement in accountability.

You know, we've been talking a lot on this podcast about accountability, both civil accountability

and criminal accountability.

And I think the jury said, we're holding you accountable for what you've done, Rudy Giuliani.

Yeah, and a point you've made Mary is that they are not alternatives.

They can work hand in glove. You can have a civil case and a criminal case and

with Shay Moss and Ruby Freeman that is literally true because they are front

and center in the Georgia criminal case.

They are going to be front and center,

and we see that in the briefing in the Jack Smith DC criminal case.

And now we have this award. Well we don't usually have a lot of

guests on the show and kind of for good reason but we want our guests to really

speak to things that are important and salient and not just be a guest for guest sake.

So we have a really, really lucky today because the lead attorney who represented

Shay Moss and Ruby Freeman is going to join us, Mike Gottlie, and so that'll be the last part of what we do.

But what are we going to do?

What are we going to talk about before that?

How are we going to kill time while we're raiding?

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