#148 - Jeff Booth - Debt v AI: The Trillion Dollar Collision
The Peter McCormack Show
Peter McCormack
4.7 • 2.8K Ratings
🗓️ 17 February 2026
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Jeff Booth explains why the natural state of a free market is deflationary and why a debt-based monetary system can't allow it.
We discuss AI as an acceleration event: exponential productivity should make life cheaper, but the system has to create scarcity to keep debt serviceable.
We cover how inflation functions as hidden extraction, why regulation favours monopolies, why politics becomes a fight over who controls broken money and why AI will intensify centralisation, surveillance, and social conflict unless the monetary layer changes.
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TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 – Elon's "No Money" 00:02:21 – Deflation is Natural 00:05:50 – Paper-fold Acceleration 00:08:05 – Debt vs Abundance 00:10:17 – Inflation = Extraction 00:15:34 – Politics Polarises 00:21:28 – One Question Only 00:28:01 – Bukele's Example 00:33:33 – Bitcoin as Protocol 00:41:02 – AI + Money Clash
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| 0:00.0 | I saw an interview with Elon Musk recently, where he talked about with AI and superintelligence, |
| 0:04.9 | that we may get to a point where we don't need money at all. |
| 0:09.6 | And money doesn't play a role in our world. |
| 0:12.7 | The natural state of the free market is deflation. |
| 0:14.7 | He must see the productivity gains around, which those exponential productivity gains would lead to exponential deflation, |
| 0:23.0 | right? If you had money that wasn't cheated. But because money is cheated, we live in that |
| 0:29.0 | debt-based system that has to essentially stop that productivity flowing to 8 billion people |
| 0:34.0 | in the planet and concentrate that wealth into very few hands. And AI today is the |
| 0:40.5 | slowest by far it will ever be. If you have a vote in a democracy, you're a liberal democracy, |
| 0:46.5 | but you don't have a vote in your money that's stolen from you and it's way more than the taxes, |
| 0:52.8 | then does your vote matter at all? |
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| 1:19.0 | which is iranen.com. Jeff, hi, how are you? I'm great. Yourself. Welcome to London. Thank you. |
| 1:26.1 | I saw an interview with Elon Musk recently where he talked about with AI and superintelligence |
| 1:31.2 | that we may get to a point where we don't need money at all. |
| 1:36.1 | And money doesn't play a role in our world. |
| 1:39.6 | I'm trying to understand the bridge between now and there. |
| 1:43.7 | If we're going to have incredible levels of productivity, |
| 1:47.8 | how is everything still going to be more expensive? |
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