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The Michael Shermer Show

148. Have Archetype β€” Will Travel: The Jordan Peterson Phenomenon

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4 β€’ 921 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 22 December 2020

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

In this special episode of the Science Salon podcast Dr. Michael Shermer reflects on the recent resurrection of Jordan Peterson, the resurgent criticism of him and why so many people attack him, why similar such unwarranted attacks have been made against public intellectuals like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris today, and of Stephen Jay Gould and Carl Sagan in the past. Dr. Shermer then reads his essay of this title that was originally published in Skepticmagazine 23.3 (2018), and on skeptic.com, and is reprinted in his essay collection Giving the Devil His Due.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the science salon podcast. I'm your host Michael Schirmer. Today's

0:04.4

podcast is a solo podcast. I'm not in conversation with anybody and I'm not doing

0:09.8

an AMA instead I'm going to do a reading, hopefully a dramatic reading of my essay,

0:17.0

Have Arotype Will Travel, the Jordan Peterson phenomenon.

0:23.0

This essay appears in my book,

0:26.3

Giving the Devil is Due.

0:27.2

It's the Penel to Mett essay.

0:28.8

I wanted to comment on Jordan because when I wrote that he had he was sort of at the pinnacle of his fame.

0:36.0

He has since gone through many personal issues, cancer with his wife and and medical problems with his daughter, and then his own issues,

0:47.0

both physically and mentally. And he's made something of a comeback now, and he has a new book out more another 12 rules for life.

0:56.4

I forget the exact title.

0:57.4

Kind of a sequel to his 12 rules for life which I have here.

1:01.8

And so I thought I'd make a few comments before I read this essay because of course he got hammered

1:09.6

in the media for just announcing he was going to write another book and it's being

1:14.4

published by Penguin Random House one of the largest publishing houses in the world and

1:18.7

apparently many of the employees were upset about this. In part I think because it's the

1:28.6

pretty strongly woke employees and maybe they forget that Penguin Random House is a for-profit

1:36.7

company. Of course they're going to publish a book that is likely to sell millions of

1:41.4

copies. To which I suppose they would respond, well, you know,

1:46.1

would they publish MindComf if it sold millions of copies? Well, of course they wouldn't,

1:51.1

but and that's the problem Jordan Peterson is not

1:54.4

Adolf Hitler despite the fact that a lot of his critics seem to think he is I'm

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