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What we're working on is this broader reusable infrastructure.

And this can really scale to anything that comes in disposable packaging.

So anything that comes in disposable packaging will have a reusable option in the future.

And we're building that reusable infrastructure to drive that, to accelerate

the world's transition to that future.

How do our current consumption system and ways of waste management and recycling methods

basically set us up for failure when we're wanting to address our waste issues?

What sorts of structural or systemic shifts do we need in society

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For now to our conversation with Tamara Lim, the founder of the Wally Shop,

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