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The Rest Is Classified

147. Will Trump Destroy Iran’s Nuclear Programme? (Ep 2)

The Rest Is Classified

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🗓️ 14 April 2026

⏱️ 74 minutes

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0:00.0

For exclusive interviews, bonus episodes, ad-free listening, early access to series,

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Join the Declassified Club at the rest is classified.com. Where is Iran's nuclear material after it's been targeted in operations Midnight Hammer and Epic Fury?

0:33.6

And what would it take to get hold of it and end Iran's nuclear program for good?

0:40.1

Well, welcome to the rest is classified. I'm Gordon Carrera. And I'm David McCloskey.

0:44.1

And David, we're in the second of these two episodes looking at the issue of Iran's nuclear

0:49.1

program, how to deal with it, what to do about Iran's highly enriched uranium. Last time, I guess we set up a

0:58.2

little bit about the nuclear program and some of the early options to deal with it, particularly

1:02.8

with the historical lens of how Israel in particular had targeted Iraq and Syria's nuclear

1:07.8

program, which was different, though, wasn't it? And we talked a bit about

1:12.3

that and how they were more discrete programs, basically two reactors, which could be taken out,

1:18.8

which could be dealt with by a single bombing run effectively. And spoiler alert, the answer

1:25.4

for what to do now about Iran's nuclear capabilities is not going to be a single bombing run.

1:30.4

And so we'd also talked last time about this very complicated and high stakes rescue mission to go and rescue it down to U.S. Airmen in Iran that took place last week.

1:42.3

And we should say again, we're recording this second episode

1:45.4

on April 9th. And that rescue was this complicated mission to bring a bunch of kind of,

1:53.7

you know, special mission unit operators from the SEAL teams and Delta Force into this

1:58.7

airstrip, fly out in helicopters to go and

2:01.9

bring this airman back and get him out. That is going to be kind of some of the context

2:07.5

that will also bring to this story about what an operation to go after some of Iran's key

2:13.7

nuclear capabilities might look like. But I think before we get there, Gordon, it's

2:19.1

makes sense to kind of start at the beginning of Trump 2.0, 2025, because as we said last time,

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